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Persons aged 15 to 24, who represent only 14% of the U.S. population, account for 30% ($19 billion) of the total costs of motor vehicle injuries among males and 28% ($7 billion) of the total costs of motor vehicle injuries among females (Finkelstein et al. 2006).
Teens are more likely than older drivers to underestimate hazardous situations or dangerous situations or not be able to recognize hazardous situations (Jonah 1987).
Teens are more likely than older drivers to speed and allow shorter headways (the distance from the front of one vehicle to the front of the next). The presence of male teenage passengers increases the likelihood of these risky driving behaviors among teen male drivers. (Simons-Morton 2005).
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Do older drivers constitute a substantial hazard to other road users?
In terms of fatalities, older drivers are a danger mostly to themselves and their passengers, who also typically are older and thus more vulnerable to injuries. One study found that per licensed driver, drivers 75 and older kill fewer pedestrians, bicyclists, motorcyclists, and occupants in other vehicles compared with drivers ages 30-59.1 In the fatal crashes of drivers 75 and older, the drivers and their senior passengers were much more likely to be killed than were occupants in other vehicles. However, drivers 70 and older have higher insurance liability claims for damage to other vehicles per insured vehicle year than drivers ages 35-69.2
1-Braver, E.R. and Trempel, R.E. 2004. Are older drivers actually at higher risk of involvement in collisions resulting in deaths or non-fatal injuries among their passengers and other road users? Injury Prevention 10:27-32.
2-Highway Loss Data Institute. 2005. Insurance special report (A-70): Insurance losses by driver age. Arlington, VA.
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On the other hand, there's cause for concern when elderly people do drive because they have higher rates of fatal crashes per mile driven, per 100,000 people, and per licensed driver than any other group except young drivers.
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Driving ain't a right.
Cell phones aren't a right.
nick wrote:I agree exactly Bastardking3000 and The cell phone law should apply to everyone. If there going to use the law then dont profile and make it apply to everyone.
Keeper I think you might on to something. a little knowledge of how everything works could equal to safer drivers on the road.
I know that back in the day alot of drivers courses would make teens learn to drive with a manual car. If you cant drive a stick then maybe you dont have the ability to drive at all. just a thought
Kevin Trudeau wrote:Quote:
Basically:
Driving ain't a right.
Cell phones aren't a right.
How so? Don't I have the right to purchase a cell phone? Do I not, as a citizen, have the right to get a liscense and drive a car?
Walking barefoot on my neighbors lawn, is a privilege granted to me by the property owner. He can pick and choose who he lets walk, sans shoes, on his turf. If he doesn't like me, he can ban me from frolicking shoeless on his grass.
However, I can forfeit my right to drive, by demonstrating that I am a danger to society (reckless driving, DUI, etc)
Just like it is my right to purchase and own a handgun...unless I commit a felony, at which point, I have forfeited that right.
Drving, as a 17 year old, is a privilege, being that he is a minor.
Usage of a cellphone, is also a privilege, being that he is a minor.
There is a difference.
Ron Love wrote:Actually knoxfire(if thats correct) THEY do make a cb radio that your cell phone interlinks with so u can use the mic to talk to the person on your cell phone while using a earpiece or not.Several drivers I drive with use them to avoid holding a phone.Not that holding a cb mic is any safer but,the technology is already available.Phone plugs into cb(I believe) and u can hear the person thru the cb's spkr.Midland or cobra makes this option with the bluetooth feature.
Darkstars wrote:In Chicago the cell phone law applies to everyone, at not time can you legally operate a car while on a phone (hands free is ok) inside the Chicago city limits and on Chicago highways.
Wonderhippi wrote:Darkstars wrote:In Chicago the cell phone law applies to everyone, at not time can you legally operate a car while on a phone (hands free is ok) inside the Chicago city limits and on Chicago highways.
In all provinces in Canada from east to west ^^ this is what the law on cell phones + driving is, you may THINK your the best driver in the world still doesnt mean its SAFE to drive while talking on the cell phone. think of it this way. your driving along and you get a call you have to take your eyes off the road to look for and grab the cell phone . now for that time you took your eyes off the road something could have happened in front of you but you didnt see it because you were worried about the call eg: car slams on breaks in front of you BAM youve just rear ended them and its YOUR fault. heres another reason why its dangerous. you managed to get the phone to your ear and answered it. your talking about something and the person on the phone asks you a question but something happened in front of you how is the person on the other end of the phone supposed to know whats goin on in front of you in the car? if you dont answer there gonna be destracting you by saying hello over and over and your so worried about the person on the phone that you dont worry so much about everything else.
DRIVING WHILE TALKING ON YOUR CELL PHONE IS WORSE THAN DRIVING DRUNK! PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
sndsgood wrote:Wonderhippi wrote:Darkstars wrote:In Chicago the cell phone law applies to everyone, at not time can you legally operate a car while on a phone (hands free is ok) inside the Chicago city limits and on Chicago highways.
In all provinces in Canada from east to west ^^ this is what the law on cell phones + driving is, you may THINK your the best driver in the world still doesnt mean its SAFE to drive while talking on the cell phone. think of it this way. your driving along and you get a call you have to take your eyes off the road to look for and grab the cell phone . now for that time you took your eyes off the road something could have happened in front of you but you didnt see it because you were worried about the call eg: car slams on breaks in front of you BAM youve just rear ended them and its YOUR fault. heres another reason why its dangerous. you managed to get the phone to your ear and answered it. your talking about something and the person on the phone asks you a question but something happened in front of you how is the person on the other end of the phone supposed to know whats goin on in front of you in the car? if you dont answer there gonna be destracting you by saying hello over and over and your so worried about the person on the phone that you dont worry so much about everything else.
DRIVING WHILE TALKING ON YOUR CELL PHONE IS WORSE THAN DRIVING DRUNK! PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
is it bad yes, is it worse then driing drunk, not a chance. i keep my phone in my center console. i can pick it up. hit the answer button and put it to my ear without ever taking my eyes off the road. the people who get distracted with there cell phones are the same people that get distracted putting on there makeup or distracted looking for something on the floor of there car. or texting friends. read a repot somewhere that is is 3x more distracting to eat food in the car then it is to talk on the cell phone.
Take Back the Republican Party wrote:Well, no matter how many they've tested, it's more than you or I have tested. I agree with the findings...cell phone use while driving is a huge danger.
I'll always remember the day I was driving in my pickup, chatting away, and I pulled up to a red light and stopped. Dude pulls up next to me, and is SCREAMING at me for something I did. He was very agitated. Worst part? I had no idea what I'd done to him.
Since then, I limit my cell phone use to when I am on the open road, highways or interstates. Even then, if I get into traffic, I don't use it. This may seem hypocritical, to use it at all if I am opposed to its potential for danger, but to me, it's like any other potentially dangerous activity. You just don't do it where the odds of trouble are magnified greatly. Just like I do enjoy driving my car fast...I just don't do it on four-lane divided streets in busy shopping areas (a casual reference to a recent debate here about a certain Camaro, Mustang and Crown Vic pileup).
sndsgood wrote:Take Back the Republican Party wrote:Well, no matter how many they've tested, it's more than you or I have tested. I agree with the findings...cell phone use while driving is a huge danger.
I'll always remember the day I was driving in my pickup, chatting away, and I pulled up to a red light and stopped. Dude pulls up next to me, and is SCREAMING at me for something I did. He was very agitated. Worst part? I had no idea what I'd done to him.
Since then, I limit my cell phone use to when I am on the open road, highways or interstates. Even then, if I get into traffic, I don't use it. This may seem hypocritical, to use it at all if I am opposed to its potential for danger, but to me, it's like any other potentially dangerous activity. You just don't do it where the odds of trouble are magnified greatly. Just like I do enjoy driving my car fast...I just don't do it on four-lane divided streets in busy shopping areas (a casual reference to a recent debate here about a certain Camaro, Mustang and Crown Vic pileup).
id still take talking on a phone to driving drunk any day. first thing that happens to me when i start drinking is i lose all balance and coordination.
Take Back the Republican Party wrote:sndsgood wrote:Take Back the Republican Party wrote:Well, no matter how many they've tested, it's more than you or I have tested. I agree with the findings...cell phone use while driving is a huge danger.
I'll always remember the day I was driving in my pickup, chatting away, and I pulled up to a red light and stopped. Dude pulls up next to me, and is SCREAMING at me for something I did. He was very agitated. Worst part? I had no idea what I'd done to him.
Since then, I limit my cell phone use to when I am on the open road, highways or interstates. Even then, if I get into traffic, I don't use it. This may seem hypocritical, to use it at all if I am opposed to its potential for danger, but to me, it's like any other potentially dangerous activity. You just don't do it where the odds of trouble are magnified greatly. Just like I do enjoy driving my car fast...I just don't do it on four-lane divided streets in busy shopping areas (a casual reference to a recent debate here about a certain Camaro, Mustang and Crown Vic pileup).
id still take talking on a phone to driving drunk any day. first thing that happens to me when i start drinking is i lose all balance and coordination.
I suppose it's hard to directly compare the two. How drunk? How engaging/distracting of a cell conversation? Sure, there are levels of extreme inebration that barely enable one to even get the key in the ignition, but I don't think that's the comparison being made.
I'd think they probably compared to the most likely state of drunkenness...a good buzz, if you will. A cell phone can completely block out certain types of input and rational thinking, preventing one from even knowing one is in danger, or about to put someone else in danger. A buzz dosn't block it out, it just affects your reactions in terms of speed and accuracy. In this comparison, I can see where the cell would be worse. The key here is attentiveness, awareness...not race-driver reflexes.
Let's face it, you may just be a cheap date, and good on you if that's the case, for it's likely to prevent you from ever doing any real drunk drving. But I don't think you are typical, and typical is what matters in such a comparison.
sndsgood wrote:If everyone was as attentive to their driving as you or I (think we are, lol!) when yakking on the phone, there'd likely be little controversy. But we aren't the average Joe or Jane in this regard. Like it or not, once again the losers lower the bar for everyone.Take Back the Republican Party wrote:sndsgood wrote:Take Back the Republican Party wrote:Well, no matter how many they've tested, it's more than you or I have tested. I agree with the findings...cell phone use while driving is a huge danger.
I'll always remember the day I was driving in my pickup, chatting away, and I pulled up to a red light and stopped. Dude pulls up next to me, and is SCREAMING at me for something I did. He was very agitated. Worst part? I had no idea what I'd done to him.
Since then, I limit my cell phone use to when I am on the open road, highways or interstates. Even then, if I get into traffic, I don't use it. This may seem hypocritical, to use it at all if I am opposed to its potential for danger, but to me, it's like any other potentially dangerous activity. You just don't do it where the odds of trouble are magnified greatly. Just like I do enjoy driving my car fast...I just don't do it on four-lane divided streets in busy shopping areas (a casual reference to a recent debate here about a certain Camaro, Mustang and Crown Vic pileup).
id still take talking on a phone to driving drunk any day. first thing that happens to me when i start drinking is i lose all balance and coordination.
I suppose it's hard to directly compare the two. How drunk? How engaging/distracting of a cell conversation? Sure, there are levels of extreme inebration that barely enable one to even get the key in the ignition, but I don't think that's the comparison being made.
I'd think they probably compared to the most likely state of drunkenness...a good buzz, if you will. A cell phone can completely block out certain types of input and rational thinking, preventing one from even knowing one is in danger, or about to put someone else in danger. A buzz dosn't block it out, it just affects your reactions in terms of speed and accuracy. In this comparison, I can see where the cell would be worse. The key here is attentiveness, awareness...not race-driver reflexes.
Let's face it, you may just be a cheap date, and good on you if that's the case, for it's likely to prevent you from ever doing any real drunk drving. But I don't think you are typical, and typical is what matters in such a comparison.
im probalby not typical. but that was kinda what i was getting at with the mythbusters deal. they usually test just the one or two hosts on the show. so the comparison is based on 2 people. maybe these two people are the types that yack on the cell phone and lose all rational train of thought. when i talk on the cell phone the road comes first the cell phone comes second. hell i'll tell people to hold on when im turning. wonderhippi above said driving drunk, driving drunk and driving buzzed to me are two diffrent things.