Kardain wrote:In order for something to be infinite, there cannot be a termination point. By having such, it creates a finite limit, negating the possibility of infinite.
By definition, infinite is having no boundaries or limits. Where would one place the boundary or limit on the good to make space for the evil?
Therefore, the christian hell cannot exist, as it would negate the infinite presence of the god. Also therefore, god cannot exist. Good must equal evil, evil equals zero since good is infinate, therefore good equals zero, therefore the christian god does not exist.
Christianity has people lead to believe that their god is omniscient. Infinite is one of the definitions of omniscience.
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perfect is a relative term....therefore God is Perfect, perfect does not have to mean complete, whole, limitless or any other concepts humans attribute to perfection.
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if i am working on a car and have PERFECTLY put it together up to a point have i not attained perfection relative to the point i am at.
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yes if i were perfect and i choose to make the earth free will would be a must. and how could i? simply because of LOVE. love with out free will is not love.
Bobo0225 wrote:...although Kardain seems to be holding his own quite nicely.
degenerated wrote:I'm with Kardain...
Pretjah wrote:start and zero and count on tell me when you hit infinity? you never will!! what do you do about negative numbers. see positive and negatives can both co-exsist and both be infinite. ie. Good(positive) and evil(negative) can both be infinite and both exsist. in actuality most would argue(and correctly so) that for Good to exsist Evil must also exsist in equalty.
Pretjah wrote:change that word to must-which is impossible cause that would create a limit for the omnipotent being-and your logic would hold true.
however the word CAN means he CAN or CAN NOT by choice of being limitless.
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(2) There is no limit to what an omnipotent thing can do.
Pretjah wrote:dude your logic is horrible!!!
first off INIFINITY does not equal any equation except X+1 or X-1
that is INFINITY!!!!
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as back tot he good and evil arguement if one measures something as ultimate EVIL and compares it to ultimate GOOD and puts a divide inbetween...there are still infinite points inbetween those two points by simply using the half way theory.
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now as to you assertion that an infinite God cannot choose to become limited that in and of itself is again illogical.
If i go for a drive and have a car that is capable of driving 100 mph but CHOOSE to drive 55 i have not LOST the ability to go 100 MPH
neither does God who by creating our laws of physics entered himself into SPACE and TIME limit his ability to alter those laws at anytime IF he so CHOOSE to.
Kardain wrote:
Assume for a moment your god exists, it exists within the confines of your teachings. Your teachings tell you a god exists, therefore, from your point of view, that must be true.
Take every every form of media: record, memory, thought, written word (including your bible), CD, tape, 8-track, spoken word and the scammers on the churchy channels on TV. Erase such forms of media, like it never happened. Would your god still exist? And if so, prove it.
Pretjah wrote:
they were killed because they weren't WHITE not because they practiced a different religion!!!
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* A benevolent god all-knowing being only has one option in any situation, and that is the option that causes most good. Therefore a perfectly good all-knowing God has no free will.
* An all-knowing god instantly knows all of it's future actions and therefore has no free will to change them. A god with no free will is not moral.
* If an all-powerful and all-knowing God exists then this (by a long chain of cause and effect) denies any free will of any living being.
* If God has free will, but never chooses evil, it is immoral because it could have created life in the same way: With free will, but also never choosing evil. Therefore God must be immoral, not all-powerful or not all-knowing.
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Assume for a moment your god exists, it exists within the confines of your teachings. Your teachings tell you a god exists, therefore, from your point of view, that must be true.
Take every every form of media: record, memory, thought, written word (including your bible), CD, tape, 8-track, spoken word and the scammers on the churchy channels on TV. Erase such forms of media, like it never happened. Would your god still exist? And if so, prove it.
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Ummm No.. Hitler hated Jews because he believed they were behind international monetary systems that were destroying Germany's economy, and he felt that they were responsible for the rise in communist movements. It had very little to do with religion. Aside from that, the figure of 6 million is highly contested. I will not enter into that debate. There are few topics that tyou are not allowed to openly discuss in Canada, and that's one. People have gone to jail for having that argument. I'm not touching it.
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The inquisition killed few when copmpaired to coventional warfare. Same goes for The Crusades.. I'll trade them for the rise of communism in Cambodia. That should be about equal.
Aztecs and Inca were killed more for gold than religion. Take a look into Spain's debt load at the time and there efforts in South America. You'll see the real motivation was greed, not religion.
Quote:But ask yourself how it was carried out and how it was sold to the peopel cheering the attacks on? Religion. We're corrupting their belief system, their clerics make us out as (to quote 4xchamp) "satan made flesh", and then they unite their people for the cause of a holy crusade. Again, i've never denied other reasons, but religion had its hand in it.
9/11 is debatable, but I'll let you have that one. Even if I feel it was more about trying to get the US to stop their detrimental foriegn policy actions in the mid-east.
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Kashmir is a despute between to nations (religious basis) over land. They are not shooting at each other because they are Muslim or Hindi, but in an effort to control a very special piece of land with little religious signifigance. If you want to make the argument, I'll hear it. It'll be a tough sell, but easier than Cortez.
Quote:See also Kashmir. greed over control based upon a religious pretext.
The Crusades.. Yuppers.. At least that's how it strated, but of course once the Templars figured out that land=money=power things escelated to a whole new level didn't they. I'll accept Crusades 1 and 2 as religiously motivated. Crusade number 3 was all about greed.
Quote:Then would you consider someone who died fighting a religious war who was killed by a mercenary who was kist killing for greed a religous-based death? I would--because the pretext of the war is religious-based, and those that pay off the mercenary have an agenda for their fath. Again, i'm not denying oppression, land, and other motives, but religion is right up there.
Northern Ireland is based in religion, but the protestant vs. Catholic fight is certainly influenced by the resistance to subjegation fight. Irish people simply don't want to be ruled by the English. Both are true. Some kill because the "enemy" is from a geography, and others because they have certain beliefs. I'll accept that 66% of the killing is religiously motivated.
shortcut90 wrote:"But if it makes you feel better, I'm not denying your god. I'm just thinking that he's got a big ego and pimped himself up in the Bible to scare the hell out of you"
youre comparing the most powerful being anywhere to a common everyday thug? wow...