mikec2003 wrote:i don't see how people can say the government cant tax it......whats so different of tobbacco than weed? you could grow your own tobacco plants and make your own cigarettes right? same with weed
BaggedCav98 wrote:potheads have too much time on their hands
bliZsham wrote:cannon fodder wrote:bliZsham wrote:way too many people smoke it
imho, that's exactly the problem.
How exactly is this a problem? There are so many people who smoke marijuana regularly and still live completely normal lives. They go to work on time, they love their families, take care of their children, pay their taxes... How can you possibly argue that just because you don't agree with it, it is a problem? Have you ever used it? Why would you make something illegal when almost half of the population has tried it, and MILLIONS of people use it regularly??? You just want to keep throwing your tax dollars at something that we clearly can't stop? We really need to change the ways we enforce our drug policies. Instead of taking all of this money to prosecute and lock up people who are otherwise harmless, we should be spending these tax dollars helping rehabilitate people who do have drug serious drug dependance problems. The "War on Drugs" has been a complete failure; although I'm not convinced you realize this. Drug laws create criminals. If there is no victim, there should be no crime. IMHO there's no place for consensual crimes in our society.
GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:It really doesn't take much labor or care to grow tobacco. It's just when you try to grow it in bulk that it gets labor intensive. Growing up we had a ticket (allowance) to grow up to 15,000 lbs. That's after curing or dry weight. When you're growing tobacco by the acre it's difficult, when you're growing a couple dozen plants to get a few pounds of tobacco, it wouldn't be difficult or labor intensive at all.mikec2003 wrote:i don't see how people can say the government cant tax it......whats so different of tobbacco than weed? you could grow your own tobacco plants and make your own cigarettes right? same with weed
Yes, definitely. Most people would do that, if it didn't require a lot of care and labour to harvest, tan, clip and package Tobacco.
John Wilken wrote:Here's something that no one has brought up yet... How are legal drugs different from illegal drugs? Let me elaborate on the question...
"Bill" goes to the doctor, says he's stressed out and can't cope. The doctor gives him a prescription for prozac, a daily "mellow" pill.
"Sandy" takes her kids to a pediatrician. Sandy's kids won't behave, so the doctor says they have ADHD and gives them ritalin, a junior strenth "mellow" pill.
Any of us could list 20 examples just like this, either people we know or maybe someone in our family. Didn't Elvis take about 20 prescription drugs a day?
So the point is, drugs aren't bad as long as you have a prescription for them. The only real crime associated with illegal drugs is if you have to steal to support your habit or if you get baked and drive. Both problems could be said of alcohol as well.
And as far as abusers, if you look at anything, I don't care if it's Pepsi drinking, Big Macs or cheap beer, there will be those who regularly over do it. But they're not the norm. Most people can go to a bar, have a few and get home safely. If it's such a big problem, why are bars allowed to have parking lots? Why not ban parking lots at bars, wouldn't that deter people from driving there?
Just for the record, I don't use drugs, but think they should be legal. Let's free up some jail space for real criminals, like rapists and murderers.
Labotomi wrote:It really doesn't take much labor or care to grow tobacco. It's just when you try to grow it in bulk that it gets labor intensive. Growing up we had a ticket (allowance) to grow up to 15,000 lbs. That's after curing or dry weight. When you're growing tobacco by the acre it's difficult, when you're growing a couple dozen plants to get a few pounds of tobacco, it wouldn't be difficult or labor intensive at all.
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There is a difference in final product though. I don't know what the tobacco companies did after they bought it from us, but it is different smoking a filterless camel or lucky strike than it is smoking one you rolled yourself. The store bought one was much smoother and had a better flavor. So, there is some refinement that happens after the growing and curing.
Hahahaha wrote:Canabis has been part of human culture for almost 30 000 years. laws banning the use of canabis are about 70 years old, and were just a way to start a war.
Geoge Washington smoked pot.
There are less negative effects from canabis consuption than there are from alcohol consuption.
Anti-drug laws creat criminals in the same way that alcohol prohibition gave huge power to the mafia in the US.
A study in New Zealand revealed that you are less likely to be invoved in an auto accident while under the influence of canabis.
The us prison system houses 25% of the worlds prisoners, approximately 180 000 people are in jail for minor possesion in the US.
As long as pot remains criminal, crime organizations are going to take something that should cost pennies and charge outrageous prices for it, then use that money to buy harder drugs, guns, etc. in order to extend their power base. Wanna kick the chair out from under the bikers? Legalize cannabis in small amounts.
There are numerous known medical benefits and much research to be done to look for more. As long as canabis is illegal, people are missing out on existing and possible future drug theapies. Those treatments would be low cost bringing in the two big ememies of legalization. The phamachemical industry doesn't like cheap drugs, and the pulp and paper industry looses benefit because the lumber industry hates cheap pulp and fibre.
Just some thing for you to think about. There's way more of course.
PAX
Charles wrote:whoever says weed is a gateway drug should be shot. I have smoked pot and do regularly but I have never once tried any other drug. I have had friends do coke,meth,shrooms,opium in front of me and i didn't have the urge to do it. The so called gateway is yourself if you let yourself do it then yea your going to do it. But when you sit there and say nah i don't wanna then you don't do it. Weed should be legal its already becoming legal in some citys like Denver for instance. My parents tax dollars should go towards stopping harder drugs like Coke, and Meth not towards weed. I have driven when i was high its not much different then driving when sober. I think you actually pay more attention because I would get worried about making sure i do everything right and not speed so i don't get picked up by the po-poes.
Charles wrote:I have driven when i was high its not much different then driving when sober. I think you actually pay more attention because I would get worried about making sure i do everything right and not speed so i don't get picked up by the po-poes.
Cory Forson wrote:Acute effects
anxiety, dysphoria, panic and paranoia, especially in naive users;
cognitive impairment, especially of attention and memory, for the duration of intoxication;
psychomotor impairment, and probably an increased risk of accident if an intoxicated person attempts to drive a motor vehicle, or operate machinery