Cable wrote:
Any Mac users "REALLY" creating a stink are probably doing it for "other" reasons.
Emor8t wrote:
"Apple can do no wrong, if you think otherwise then your stupid,gay,lame,M$ shill"
Emor8t wrote:
Jesus Christ, wake up. Steve Job is one of the biggest pricks on the planet. He's the worlds most over paid spokes person.
He doesn't design the product, he doesn't code the product. He gets up there to a bunch of fanboy bloggers spouts off about the new product that is
better than the old product because it fixes the flaws the old one had to begin with.
Emor8t wrote:
Gates gives billions away in charity, aids in destroying world health issues, speaks on the behalf social causes and takes an active role in society.
Jobs, gives little, shuns any journalist that disagrees with him, to the point of suing, and the only issue he supports is making more money.
Emor8t wrote:
Rock solid OS? Not Steve Jobs. Aesthetic design? Not Steve Jobs.
Emor8t wrote:
This is Apple employees. You know what you get with a prick leading a bunch of talented people around? Talented people that eventually realize that they
have other options. And I call already tell you what's going to happen, when Steve realizes his prickness is going to cause everyone to quit, he will step down
and have the board appoint some schlep who will take the fall for his @!#$. See: John Sculley.
Emor8t wrote:
Who will then get a bunch of new people in there who will propose some new stupid device that will fail. See: Newton.
There is no one company that is the best. People who consistently change and adapt to things around are the ones that will stay competitive.
By aligning yourself with one OS or brand fanatically, you're just setting yourself up for a brutal awakening when it fails. Apples greatness is cyclical and it's on
an upswing right now.
Emor8t wrote:There are a helluva lot more solid OS's than Apple's OS X. Pick a linux distro.
Emor8t wrote:That Steve's annual salary is $1 is a bunch of bull@!#$. So is Warren Buffets. What of it?
That doesn't surpass the fact that he is worth over $4 billion, not including his $3-4 billion in Disney stock.
Emor8t wrote:Mac's are a cult, get over it.
Emor8t wrote:Your opinions won't change no matter what? Not even reality? Wow, so you're all NeoCons?
Emor8t wrote:Apple didn't want to make a $100 device to compete?
Emor8t wrote:You really are a brainwashed fan boy.
Cable wrote:
Emor8t wrote:Your opinions won't change no matter what? Not even reality? Wow, so you're all NeoCons?
Reality? last time I checked reality says Mac OSX is the Best all around OS BY FAR.
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Tracer Bullet wrote:Cable wrote:
Emor8t wrote:Your opinions won't change no matter what? Not even reality? Wow, so you're all NeoCons?
Reality? last time I checked reality says Mac OSX is the Best all around OS BY FAR.
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um says who?
reality is, osx isnt the best all around by far
linux is, by far, the best os
Hahahaha wrote:Well no, the best OSs in the world have names you'd never recognise and cost amounts far too unreasonable for an average user to afford. think SCO, HPUX, Iris.. Most are Unix or unix(ish). Linux is good but because it is open source it has it's flaws. The real down side to the linux community is that it reacts to hardware and is no proactive, therefore your brand new hardware will have to wait for driver support. Free sure is a good price though.
What the best of everything? VMware and a quad core are your friend
PAX
GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:Uhh... ALL Operating systems are permutations of UNIX.
You just validated Windows there Nick.
Mark O wrote:just do what i do and surf your porn at school or work, then you don't need to worry about viruses on your computer.
Cable wrote:Like APPLE steals their trademarks from other companies? Don't get me started on this. You're deviating from what you originally said, good work... you're learning. (The Mixed mode CISC/RISC chips that Intel put out won't respond to RISC calls, and use CISC microcode: They're still CISC for all intents and purposes, but internally they work more like RISC, but not totally RISC.)GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:Uhh... ALL Operating systems are permutations of UNIX.
You just validated Windows there Nick.
yah yah... and the pentium pro, II, and III are not RISC with a CISC translator at their core right?
but for real.. what part of the OS is based on unix? other than the TCP/IP stack.. I thought MS stole all their technology from other companies.. are they paying any licensing fees for UNIX?
GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:Like APPLE steals their trademarks from other companies? Don't get me started on this. You're deviating from what you originally said, good work... you're learning. (The Mixed mode CISC/RISC chips that Intel put out won't respond to RISC calls, and use CISC microcode: They're still CISC for all intents and purposes, but internally they work more like RISC, but not totally RISC.)
GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:Anyhow: DOS is based off of Unix (CP/M but who's counting), and Unix was originally open-sourced from Cal-Tech Berkley. Microsoft ended up reverse engineering Berkley UNIX to make it less esoteric and more streamlined (they were originally trying to make AIX, but that was later), they marketed the product to IBM... la-dee-da. NT is based around a Unix 32bit kernel, with a high-level language that makes it socketable to different processors (like the DEC ALPHA, which was a nice fast setup with 128 MB RAM) basically, it's common upper level application without being dependant on a certain processor assembly language...
Cable wrote:
here we go again....
the Pentium Pro was all RISC
the Pentium Pro is known as the 'P6'
the Pentium II and Pentium III and core series CPUs are all based on the P6.
at their 'core' the ppro, p2, p3 etc are ALL RISC based with a CISC layer
GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:OSX by default sucks as well. And BTW, OSX does have viruses, AND stability issues (if not tell me why I have 2 friends' Macbooks here with OSX and instability issues? And yes, they don't run anything as an Administrator)
And you had said that Pentiums were RISC... I proved that as folly.
But.. let me quote:
Cable wrote:
here we go again....
the Pentium Pro was all RISC
the Pentium Pro is known as the 'P6'
the Pentium II and Pentium III and core series CPUs are all based on the P6.
at their 'core' the ppro, p2, p3 etc are ALL RISC based with a CISC layer
Hahahaha and I both proved you wrong:
http://www.j-body.org/forums/read.php?f=36&i=41999&t=41999&p=5
http://arstechnica.com/cpu/4q99/risc-cisc/rvc-1.html
http://www.pcguide.com/ref/cpu/fam/g6PPro-c.html
P6 Used a mixed mode, it wasn't true to either technology (it's a hybrid but still uses primarily CISC to cut down on overhead that reduced the efficiency of RISC), but it would only respond to CISC instructions.
Cable wrote: Steve Jobs has my babies, APPLE APPLE APPLE.
article wrote:Karma. Doing the "right thing." Thinking different. Apple's enlightened approach to building customer loyalty is now famous, generating big headlines every time CEO Steve Jobs takes on Hollywood or the music industry. Attempts to raise iTunes prices? "Greedy." A fight with NBC over revenues? "Give peace a chance." That's Apple, your socially-conscious corporate friend, who does right by you while standing up to big bullies -- sort of like a character from a Pixar movie.
But over the past two weeks, Apple's fans have been grumbling that the company they knew and loved is transforming into another Microsoft, making short-sighted, anti-consumer decisions and carelessly releasing products with user experience-diminishing problems. In response, an increasingly angry erosion of Apple's brand loyalty is beginning, with complaints mounting all over the Internet, including on the company's own discussion forums. This time, it's not just a cadre of Microsoft fans trying to anonymously stir up trouble for the Cupertino-based company, but rather legitimately upset Apple customers who are threatening boycotts of current and future iPod, iTunes, and Mac offerings.
Put aside Apple's $200 iPhone price drop, which generated a lot of anger but was quickly resolved by the company, and bugs in both new iPod and iTunes software, which the company is certainly working to repair. Instead, consider just four of the issues that are still largely unresolved by Apple, and the extreme anger and disappointment that its customers have been expressing as a result.
Quote:I think that speaks for itself. But isn't the wide range of iPod accessories the big reason to buy them vs other competing products? Shouldn't one be reasonably able to assume that "iPod compatible" means that it will work with past, current, and future iPods? This is greed, plain and simple.
Apple Breaks 2005-2007 Video Add-Ons: No Warning, Just Buy New Ones
What Happened? Almost any "Made for iPod" accessory you've purchased with video output no longer outputs photos or videos when connected to the new iPods. This impacts in-car, home, and airplane accessories alike.
Quote:ummm... Can you repeat after me... "GREEDY A$$HOLES!!"
iTunes Store iPod Games: Buy Them Again for New iPods
What Happened? People who purchased any or all of Apple's past "iPod Games" from the iTunes Store have learned that, unlike music and videos, the games must be re-purchased to work on new iPods.
Quote:This is clearly a lie. Apple products are PERFECT. Perhaps even "HOLY". They never have flaws. Good thing Apple decided to say "screw you" to anyone who begged to differ.
iPod touch Screen Problems: Deny Them, Charge Restocking Fees
What Happened? iPod touch units were shipped with defective screens. When readers tried to return them to Apple Stores, employees denied any problems and charged the customers $30-40 restocking fees.
Quote:also
iPhone Ringtones: Pay Twice for Each Song; Forget Using Your Own
What Happened? Rather than letting users play any of their own audio as iPhone ringtones, Apple locked the iPhone's ringtone feature and requires users to buy both full songs and 30-second song snippets from the iTunes Store for $1.98.
Quote:Yes this is mega-greed once again. And all this is from a pro-Apple site and published BEFORE the bricking. Speaking of that...
This limitation is entirely artificial: there's no technical reason the iPhone can't ring with, say, your girlfriend or boyfriend's recorded voice, a song you composed yourself, a sound effect from your favorite TV show, or a snippet from your favorite band. Any of all of these items can be played back through your computer, any digital music player, or the iPhone in iPod mode, and they're all routinely offered by average people, bands, and even TV networks as ways to remember them by.
Consequently, the ringtone creation feature, rolled out in iTunes 7.4, was immediately and widely denounced by iPhone owners, and people began to find ways to create their own iPhone-compatible ringtones.
Rather than ignoring the user-created ringtones, Apple has sought to block them, twice patching iTunes 7.4 (versions 7.4.1 and 7.4.2) to prevent users from adding their own legally-created ringtones to the iPhone.
Cable wrote:sure some iphones were turned into bricks.. but those people violated the EULA.Umm so? When you buy a product - any product - it is yours to modify as you please. If you want to smash it into the floor or whatever (non-illegal) thing you want to do to it or use it for - that is your business the moment you buy that phone. It is no longer Apple's possession nor anyone else's but the purchaser's. Fact is - many people often did such things with other manufacturer's phones, and despite those companies not liking it and (rightfully) voiding all warranty - those companies took NO ACTION against those customers. Apple, and Apple alone, has took such anti-consumer measures.
Quote:
"We were there when Apple was hurting, we stuck with it, we nursed her back to health, It's our money she has now, and she's turning on us now that she's rich."
Bastardking3000 wrote:Cable - since you don't realize that many old school Apple fans are getting pissed(which surprises me since I assume you kept your thumb on the pulse of all things Apple), I found an older(pre-iBrick) article I read a while ago. This is from ilounge.com aka apple fandom.
Customers Ask: Is Apple Going Rotten?
article wrote:Karma. Doing the "right thing." Thinking different. Apple's enlightened approach to building customer loyalty is now famous, generating big headlines every time CEO Steve Jobs takes on Hollywood or the music industry. Attempts to raise iTunes prices? "Greedy." A fight with NBC over revenues? "Give peace a chance." That's Apple, your socially-conscious corporate friend, who does right by you while standing up to big bullies -- sort of like a character from a Pixar movie.
But over the past two weeks, Apple's fans have been grumbling that the company they knew and loved is transforming into another Microsoft, making short-sighted, anti-consumer decisions and carelessly releasing products with user experience-diminishing problems. In response, an increasingly angry erosion of Apple's brand loyalty is beginning, with complaints mounting all over the Internet, including on the company's own discussion forums. This time, it's not just a cadre of Microsoft fans trying to anonymously stir up trouble for the Cupertino-based company, but rather legitimately upset Apple customers who are threatening boycotts of current and future iPod, iTunes, and Mac offerings.
Put aside Apple's $200 iPhone price drop, which generated a lot of anger but was quickly resolved by the company, and bugs in both new iPod and iTunes software, which the company is certainly working to repair. Instead, consider just four of the issues that are still largely unresolved by Apple, and the extreme anger and disappointment that its customers have been expressing as a result.
Here are a few highlights in case you are too lazy to click or something.
Quote:I think that speaks for itself. But isn't the wide range of iPod accessories the big reason to buy them vs other competing products? Shouldn't one be reasonably able to assume that "iPod compatible" means that it will work with past, current, and future iPods? This is greed, plain and simple.
Apple Breaks 2005-2007 Video Add-Ons: No Warning, Just Buy New Ones
What Happened? Almost any "Made for iPod" accessory you've purchased with video output no longer outputs photos or videos when connected to the new iPods. This impacts in-car, home, and airplane accessories alike.
Quote:
iTunes Store iPod Games: Buy Them Again for New iPods
What Happened? People who purchased any or all of Apple's past "iPod Games" from the iTunes Store have learned that, unlike music and videos, the games must be re-purchased to work on new iPods. ummm... Can you repeat after me... "GREEDY A$$HOLES!!"
Quote:
iPod touch Screen Problems: Deny Them, Charge Restocking Fees
What Happened? iPod touch units were shipped with defective screens. When readers tried to return them to Apple Stores, employees denied any problems and charged the customers $30-40 restocking fees. This is clearly a lie. Apple products are PERFECT. Perhaps even "HOLY". They never have flaws. Good thing Apple decided to say "screw you" to anyone who begged to differ.
Quote:
iPhone Ringtones: Pay Twice for Each Song; Forget Using Your Own
What Happened? Rather than letting users play any of their own audio as iPhone ringtones, Apple locked the iPhone's ringtone feature and requires users to buy both full songs and 30-second song snippets from the iTunes Store for $1.98. also This limitation is entirely artificial: there's no technical reason the iPhone can't ring with, say, your girlfriend or boyfriend's recorded voice, a song you composed yourself, a sound effect from your favorite TV show, or a snippet from your favorite band. Any of all of these items can be played back through your computer, any digital music player, or the iPhone in iPod mode, and they're all routinely offered by average people, bands, and even TV networks as ways to remember them by.
Consequently, the ringtone creation feature, rolled out in iTunes 7.4, was immediately and widely denounced by iPhone owners, and people began to find ways to create their own iPhone-compatible ringtones.
Rather than ignoring the user-created ringtones, Apple has sought to block them, twice patching iTunes 7.4 (versions 7.4.1 and 7.4.2) to prevent users from adding their own legally-created ringtones to the iPhone. Yes this is mega-greed once again. And all this is from a pro-Apple site and published BEFORE the bricking. Speaking of that...
Cable wrote:sure some iphones were turned into bricks.. but those people violated the EULA.
Bastardking3000 wrote:Umm so? When you buy a product - any product - it is yours to modify as you please. If you want to smash it into the floor or whatever (non-illegal) thing you want to do to it or use it for - that is your business the moment you buy that phone. It is no longer Apple's possession nor anyone else's but the purchaser's. Fact is - many people often did such things with other manufacturer's phones, and despite those companies not liking it and (rightfully) voiding all warranty - those companies took NO ACTION against those customers. Apple, and Apple alone, has took such anti-consumer measures.
Bastardking3000 wrote:Compare that to Micro$haft (as many people like to call it). Modifying XBOX's is also against their EULA, TOS, or whatever. What did "THE EVIL EMPIRE" do about it?! Basically nothing except voiding warranties - and for those XBOXs where modifying was actually detected - they denied the "XBOX live" service(or so I've read - I don't actually own one). While I disagree with that move(and I'm sure the anti-Microsoft crowd cried bloody murder about it too) - the XBOX's themselves remained quite operational - and that by comparison to Apple is very, very generous/lenient. I'm sure if Microsoft wanted to do worse they could(this thing IS a Microsoft product after all, so I'm sure there are 12,957,428 back-door ways to insert and run code unwanted by the end user).
Bastardking3000 wrote:You want to blame the people for wanting to use make a "smart phone" actually useful? That is the whole point to owning such a device. Make it USEFUL to your specific needs!! Don't tell me that you haven't installed any extra software on your Macintosh computers... To rely solely on proprietary software in light of other (often better) options is STUPID. Most of that software was adding extra functionality that the phone itself didn't come with. And of course not everyone wants to be strapped to AT&T's back. Some people (believe it or not) might like to be able to justify their expensive phone purchase by being able to use it worldwide since some people who could use such a phone also happen to need to travel a bit.
Bastardking3000 wrote:Hell, didn't Apple promote the iPhone basically as a minicomputer capable of surfing the Web and playing music and videos etc. Aren't Macintosh users accustomed to using loading up their own computers with various 3rd party programs? So wouldn't it be logical to expect the same out of the iPhone?
Bastardking3000 wrote:You could argue that Apple didn't intentionally brick anyone's phone, and that the bricking is the fault of "unauthorized software" conflicting with apple's official code. And that ignores a few factors.
1. The previous comments directly from Pope Steve Jobs the 1st - talking about plans to do just this - to battle/deter iPhone hackers. So yes that was no accident.
2. It has been widely reported and documented that many iPhones - which have never been hacked/modified in any way, shape, or form - where also bricked. Thank you Micros... I mean Apple... updates!
3. It has also been documented and demonstrated - by the people that write iHacks - that Apple could have VERY EASILY returned all phones to baseline during the update - guaranteeing no software conflicts. That is Apple easily could have done so if it wanted to. But it didn't want to. It's official response is... go buy another iPhone!!
4. To expand on that - Apple could have still (after the fact) offered to restore those bricked phones to baseline operation(minus any 3rd party software of course). This is clearly evidenced by various 3rd party software released that CAN un-brick your iPhone(some of it even will do so concurrently with the most current patch and "claim" to be future-patch-proof). Now if 3rd party developers can do it in their time off... Apple(who built the it and so knows it inside and out) could effortlessly do it better and faster. They could... that is if they weren't just greedy bastards who where solely out to sell more iPhones to people who already bought them.
Bastardking3000 wrote:In fact Apple is facing a lawsuit over their as of late not-so-consumer-friendly tactics. Class action targeting mobile phone locking practices green-lighted.
Bastardking3000 wrote:Yes, like all corporations, Apple is a greedy rat bastard company. Or as one disillusioned Apple fan wroteQuote:
"We were there when Apple was hurting, we stuck with it, we nursed her back to health, It's our money she has now, and she's turning on us now that she's rich."
Bastardking3000 wrote:Other interesting notes on Apple
1. ATI Graphics May Be at the Root of iMac Freezing Issues So apparently some iMacs have freezing issues. Nah... thats impossible. Apples are perfect machines now and always.
Bastardking3000 wrote:It wasn't their fault when iPods got shipped with viruses, and it's not their fault today. /rollNow you can blame it on ATI if you want, but what happened to Apple's QC? Unlike PC's, they don't have that many hardware variations, so why can't they tests this prior to shipping?
Bastardking3000 wrote:2. Security maven: QuickTime flaw threatens PCs, Macs Quicktime is Apple software. Never mind that. This year-old, never patched flaw in their perfect software is most like Microsoft's fault somehow. Trust me... (And yes Macintosh computers ARE vulnerable to this.)
Bastardking3000 wrote:3. The iPhone is toxic, warns Greenpeace So chemicals in the iPhone may cause reproductive harm in Mac-fanboys everywhere... I fail to have any problem with this...
Bastardking3000 wrote:Cable, I wonder how you will continue being an Apple elitist/apologist if they keep up the current trend.