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'Jesus Camp' Depicts Young Soldiers of God
Film About Extreme Bible Camp Is Fueling Controversy Over Evangelical Christians
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Sept. 27, 2006 — The documentary "Jesus Camp" is sparking debate with its portrayal of evangelical Christians and an extreme Bible camp.
Kids on Fire, a summer getaway for evangelical Christians, is a Bible camp nestled in Devil's Lake, N.D.
At Kids on Fire, children learn how to be true Christian soldiers.
Instead of telling ghost stories around the campfire, children speak in tongues and bless a cutout of President Bush.
Pastor Becky Fischer, the camp's leader, says the point of the camp is to encourage attendees to "take back America for Christ."
"I want to see young people who are as committed to the cause of Jesus Christ as the young people are to the cause of Islam," she said.
At Kids on Fire, it's all Christian values, all the time.
Even Harry Potter doesn't make the cut.
One little boy said he didn't read the books because they were Satanic and didn't bring him closer to God.
No Harry Potter, but Plenty of Politics
While Potter is not OK, politics are — conservative and Christian.
Issues like abortion are discussed, and political protests become field trips for the campers.
"I feel like we're kind of being trained to be warriors, only in a much funner way," one camper said.
Some less-extreme Christians, including radio talk-show host Mike Papantonio, fear the children at Kids on Fire are being used as political pawns by adults with an agenda.
"There is a religious, political army of foot soldiers out there that are being directed by a political right," Papantonio said.
Camp founders insist they are doing God's will: to save lives and souls.
"Jesus Camp" opened in limited release on Sept. 20.
Some Christian conservatives hope their message will get out with the gradual nationwide release of the documentary, one movie theater at a time.
I believe in free speech but telling little children that Harry Potter who is also a child character in the book series would have been executed in the days of the old Testament is taking the adults agenda a bit too far.
Try to keep the debate clean
I don't agree with them.
"Kids on FIRE" sounds like a suicide bomb group. Welcome to America, today's Iraq.
Classic cult behavior... take children and brainwash them.
Harry Potter is satanic? Then Pinoccio, Snow White, Fantasia, The Incredibles, Cinderella must all be satanic too, although none of my kids started drawing pentograms after seeing them. We also didn't sacrifice any animals after visiting Santa or the Easter Bunny.
Look for these kids to grow into adults who shoot up abortion clinics or drink the magic kool-aid to ride the comet. All in the name of Jesus...
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Extremism by any other name.
They're breeding intollerance, how is that legal?
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GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:Extremism by any other name.
They're breeding intollerance, how is that legal?
We may not agree with what they're doing, I sure don't, but they're not doing anything illegal. That's the great thing about our country, everyone has the absolute right to believe anything they want, even if others don't agree with it.
well you know the saying, you have to fight fire with "kids on fire" ............. or something like that.
zero wrote:GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:Extremism by any other name.
They're breeding intollerance, how is that legal?
We may not agree with what they're doing, I sure don't, but they're not doing anything illegal. That's the great thing about our country, everyone has the absolute right to believe anything they want, even if others don't agree with it.
Believing is fine. The KKK want you to believe they're all about State's rights, gun ownership rights and your right to own property. This organisation is a borderline cult, and is really no better than one you'd see in the mid-east.
The problem is that this "camp" has a peculiar similarity to one that happened to be in Texas. Kids on Fire is rather apropos.
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GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:zero wrote:GAM (The Kilted One) wrote:Extremism by any other name.
They're breeding intollerance, how is that legal?
We may not agree with what they're doing, I sure don't, but they're not doing anything illegal. That's the great thing about our country, everyone has the absolute right to believe anything they want, even if others don't agree with it.
Believing is fine. The KKK want you to believe they're all about State's rights, gun ownership rights and your right to own property. This organisation is a borderline cult, and is really no better than one you'd see in the mid-east.
The problem is that this "camp" has a peculiar similarity to one that happened to be in Texas. Kids on Fire is rather apropos.
Well the KKK is scum... however I support their right to exist, have (peaceful)gatherings, believe what they want to believe, and even to spread their BS message - that is their right. They can run their pathetic mouths all they want - as long as they don't DO anything violent, anything that violates anyone's rights(which DOES NOT INCLUDE the so called "right to not be offended"), or anything otherwise illegal etc etc - which they have done in the past, but I haven't heard anything in recent history.
These people are also retarded brainwashed extremist, but they have full right to do so. At least until they start blowing up mosques - or maybe even other (Christian) denomination's churches.
Now if you'll excuse me - I'm gonna go get high on Jesus...
I've never heard of this "part throttle" before. Does it just bolt on?
John Wilken wrote:Classic cult behavior... take children and brainwash them.
Harry Potter is satanic? Then Pinoccio, Snow White, Fantasia, The Incredibles, Cinderella must all be satanic too, although none of my kids started drawing pentograms after seeing them. We also didn't sacrifice any animals after visiting Santa or the Easter Bunny.
Interesting you should mention that. This morning they showed more of the debate between Pastor Becky Fischer and Mike Papantonio and she singled Disney cartoons and movies out for single handedly brainwashing the children of America. I think she's got a few screws loose
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Ever notice that the loudest squeak gets heard the most?
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All I gotta say is Grab a piece of that rainbow
they've had their 5 minutes of fame breeding intollerence.
This is completly political.
-Chris
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wow a Christian version of Hitlers youth...
Interestingly, I read an article of a review of this movie on the Focus On the Family' website, and they didn't seem to agree with the movie either. The reviewer of the film mentioned exactly what everyone has seemed to mention about the political spotlight of the movie, and how the adults in seemed to be using the kids for their own agenda. When I checked out the trailer for the movie, I saw kids age 4 and 5 saying that they were saved and then they were preaching in front of hundreds of crying children. How can someone as young as 5 even realize the importance of "being saved"? How many of those crying children in the crowd were just doing it cuz they didn't know what else to do?
Now don't get me wrong. I do believe that the current generation ( and studies are showing this) is showing a greater interest in their spirituality (a reflection of the current times perhaps?). But by no means should adults these days use children that have no idea what they are talking about to promote empty politcal messages in a religious veil.
ShiftyCav wrote:thats probably the dumbest thing i have ever heard. you should take that serpentine belt and wrap it around your neck.
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When I checked out the trailer for the movie, I saw kids age 4 and 5 saying that they were saved and then they were preaching in front of hundreds of crying children. How can someone as young as 5 even realize the importance of "being saved"? How many of those crying children in the crowd were just doing it cuz they didn't know what else to do?
Yeah, they are just submitting to peer pressure... the kids see everyone else crying and having convulsions they think they have to do it to. If you start this religious brainwashing at an early age then you will be able to control your kids. It is all an agenda for these adults and their cults.
It must be a cult because the adults come up with all of these "rules" that has nothing to do with God or the Bible... but has alot to do with what the parents want for their children. They tell them to wear nothing shorter than a knee-skirt, tell them that co-ed living is evil, tell them that movies and TV are evil, and make them so God-fearing that they stay naive virgins until they are 30 and married. These kids do not question this lifestyle since they've been groomed in it for their entire life... they can not say the grass is greener on the other side because they are blind to it.
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When I checked out the trailer for the movie, I saw kids age 4 and 5 saying that they were saved and then they were preaching in front of hundreds of crying children. How can someone as young as 5 even realize the importance of "being saved"? How many of those crying children in the crowd were just doing it cuz they didn't know what else to do?
Yeah, they are just submitting to peer pressure... the kids see everyone else crying and having convulsions they think they have to do it to. If you start this religious brainwashing at an early age then you will be able to control your kids. It is all an agenda for these adults and their cults.
It must be a cult because the adults come up with all of these "rules" that has nothing to do with God or the Bible... but has alot to do with what the parents want for their children. They tell them to wear nothing shorter than a knee-skirt, tell them that co-ed living is evil, tell them that movies and TV are evil, and make them so God-fearing that they stay naive virgins until they are 30 and married. These kids do not question this lifestyle since they've been groomed in it for their entire life... they can not say the grass is greener on the other side because they are blind to it.
I agree... but wait until those children become teenagers
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I've never heard of this "part throttle" before. Does it just bolt on?
The "Jesus Camp" does not sound like a good thing. There are many false teachers and people preaching poor doctrine so one must be careful. Many call themselves "Christian" and yet they do not know Christ. One only needs to look at either the Democrat or Republican party to see people that claim to act on His word and yet do not know Him.
I am not sure I believe the part about worshipping George Bush; that sounds like that was thrown in by a writer with an agenda. George Bush does not speak for Christians as non-Christians seem to think.
We are called to be "Christian Soldiers" but not in the way the unbelieving world would like to think. We are not here to kill and blow things up. We are here to tell the truth even when the world laughs at us and mocks us. We are here to be an example to others, to teach and preach the gospel of Jesus Christ. We are at war and we have been since the days in the Garden of Eden. Our war is with Satan and not against each other.
Now, let the insults come from the blind and the deaf.
Chris Crossont
A.H.M. Performance
Baltimore, MD
http://www.ahmperformance.com
anybody else pick up the irony of having a bible camp at Devil's Lake?
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I think it's apropos if nothing else.
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I agree, but i'm wondering if any camp coordinators picked up on that...
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They're praising a carboard standee of dubya... That's like the blind leading the blind.. right?
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More like the blank leading the blind.
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