RuggedZ wrote:if the gop was moving further to the right, i don't think we'd see near the massive spending from congress.
/thread.
I think more than anything the GOP is suffering from an image problem. You folks maintain it hasn't shifted further right over time, yet the problem may well be that many Perceive it has. Gosh knows that I can find hundreds of references to buttress this impression. I can find none to buttress your impression.
How to fix this injustice of perception then? If the party has shifted toward center while its most vocal cheerleaders have shifted right...a conundrum, no?
Moderate Voice of the People wrote:RuggedZ wrote:Moderate Voice of the People wrote:Can GOP Gubernatorial Candidates swing back from hard right?
Retirements push GOP to the right
neither of these are @!#$ facts, its all opinion. show some specific examples of how the GOP is so far to the right.
Hmm. Did you even read the link about retirements? That's not opinion...those are facts, as supplied by the lawmakers themselves.
of course i read it. the only fact in it was that 8 "moderate" republicans resigned. the rest was pure opinion about how it's bad for the party.
Check out my build thread!
And...the remaining Republicans were more hardcore right...Right?
Another shift to the right.
You ask for evidence, I bringy
Golly. Just showing a bit of right swing on that one. Sorry if I can't "nail" it with just one report, lol! I shall shop for my resources more discerningly next time.
Don't get me wrong about Bush. I voted for him, both times. But I'm talking about Perception. Over time, he soiled the brand. Image problem. Now the party was saddled with that damage, and a lot of it came from the GWOT, which was viewed by too many as a reach beyond the boundaries generally associated with the previously more benign USA. Not saying I viewed it that way, I was a proponent of all of it (the incursions into Iraq and Afghanistan, Patriot Act, NSA wiretaps, etc.), mind you...but I'm talking about how perceptions can outstrip reality in many cases.
So, maybe you are right, and the shift right is a figment of others' imagination. If so, you certainly have been the victim of a major smear campaign, for it's like ALL over everywhere.
But OK then...what to do about these sometimes-hysterical right extremists in print and web and TV and radio? These are the wild cards I'm confused about. I just can't decide if they are helping or hurting the Repub cause. They sure do make it SEEM like there's been a shift right...
Edited 1 time(s). Last edited Monday, December 14, 2009 1:17 PM
So ends the saga. A concession that the repub party hasn't actually shifted way right, but is actually a perception of some.
“Poor Al Gore. Global warming completely debunked via the very Internet you invented. Oh, oh, the irony!” -Jon Stewart
Hrm. discussion > you
Take off the boxing gloves and TALK about the subject, perhaps
I can work with and discuss hypotheticals that I may not necessarily align myself with. Try it with me!
It doesn't always have to be about how many points get on the scoreboard
It's always about the points on the scoeboard. Only play to win, and if you can't win, make it as difficult on your opponent as possible.
“Poor Al Gore. Global warming completely debunked via the very Internet you invented. Oh, oh, the irony!” -Jon Stewart
In the 31 times same sex marriage proposals have come before a state ballot measure, they have been defeated. The 4+ states that have it, have gotten it through their legislators, or court order. Even Kalifornia voted against it.
80% of people with health insurance, (whether its self-pay, or employer funded) like what they have.
Although a majority believe that the current healthcare system has flaws and needs work, most do not believe the government should take over and run it.
If explained, most people understand that a modest business tax structure, promotes job growth. When govt interferes, imposing wage increases, mandating health coverage, race/gender based hiring quotas, it stifles business growth.
A majority of Americans polled, do not want to change existing abortion laws. (this is a liberal win) However, I don't believe the majority of Americans know that Obama deep sixed the law that mandated babies that survive abortions, must be kept alive as much as possible. I honestly believe if people really knew what happens during an abortion, many, if not most would change to right to life.
Its utter butchery and barbaric.
On the flip side....
Average Joe doesn't like rich people, because they're rich and he's jealous. After all rich people are all greedy wall street fatcats that ruined the economy with their bonuses and insider trading. Therefore, if govt wants to slap extra taxes on rich dude, average Joe could care less, especially if he gets a "free" govt program or stimulus check out of the deal. In fact average Joe doesn't care how much the govt sticks it to the wealthy, until rich guy closes down the plant and lays off Joe.
At which point, Joe's unfavorable opinion of rich dude is reinforced.
“Poor Al Gore. Global warming completely debunked via the very Internet you invented. Oh, oh, the irony!” -Jon Stewart
ScottaWhite wrote:It's always about the points on the scoeboard. Only play to win, and if you can't win, make it as difficult on your opponent as possible.
this is one of the biggest problems in goverment right here. if you cant win make it as difficult on your opponet as possible. it used to be about trying to come up with a plan that works for everybody, now its my side isnt in charge so im going to make it as hard on you as i possibly can.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sndsgood/ https://www.facebook.com/#!/Square1Photography
^which isn't neccesarily wrong, when what your opponent is up to, is pure financial skullduggery on a national scale. Like today, Coburn fro Oklahoma, wanted to have a 72 hr waiting period to read over amendments, before voting on them. Baucus told him to f-off. So coburn used a seldom used senate rule to make the clerk read the entire amendment out loud...all 776 pages! Made my day! Might have been quicker to just let the 72 hour request go through, but Nooooooooooo. Now the clerk is reading a Harry potter sized piece of legislation out loud for the next week. I love this game.
“Poor Al Gore. Global warming completely debunked via the very Internet you invented. Oh, oh, the irony!” -Jon Stewart
ScottaWhite wrote:^which isn't neccesarily wrong, when what your opponent is up to, is pure financial skullduggery on a national scale. Like today, Coburn fro Oklahoma, wanted to have a 72 hr waiting period to read over amendments, before voting on them. Baucus told him to f-off. So coburn used a seldom used senate rule to make the clerk read the entire amendment out loud...all 776 pages! Made my day! Might have been quicker to just let the 72 hour request go through, but Nooooooooooo. Now the clerk is reading a Harry potter sized piece of legislation out loud for the next week. I love this game.
its wrong as hell this is exactly why the goverment is so @!#$ up. if both sides worked towards a solution instead of just fighting each other they would get @!#$ accomplished and come up with some solutions. both sides do it and its @!#$ this country up.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sndsgood/ https://www.facebook.com/#!/Square1Photography
Admit it. Nothing wrong with giving the senator three days to read the amendment. Not even forcing everyone to read it, just letting those who so desire, to do so. Betcha the read a thon rule gets removed soon
“Poor Al Gore. Global warming completely debunked via the very Internet you invented. Oh, oh, the irony!” -Jon Stewart
ScottaWhite wrote:Admit it. Nothing wrong with giving the senator three days to read the amendment. Not even forcing everyone to read it, just letting those who so desire, to do so. Betcha the read a thon rule gets removed soon
no theres not but that plays into my whole point, its not just one side being hardheaded and trying to screw the other at all costs its both sides. if they would stop playing this "lets make it difficult as we can" and just sat down and started discussing things, letting people read the thing, come back sit down and work it out. then you would get some thigns done.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sndsgood/ https://www.facebook.com/#!/Square1Photography
Dems are fighting amongst themselves now.
Why keep up with this bill when most polls (Gallup, ramussen) show the modify of Americans don't like it.
"well we know what's good for you + though you don't want it, you'll thank us in the end."
“Poor Al Gore. Global warming completely debunked via the very Internet you invented. Oh, oh, the irony!” -Jon Stewart
Obama's ratings down? What we need is a good old fashioned domestic (aka whiteboy) terrorist act, or at least a sinister plot uncovered. Maybe an assasination attempt at the signing of something big, where he refuses to be ushered away until he signs it. Instant hero.
“Poor Al Gore. Global warming completely debunked via the very Internet you invented. Oh, oh, the irony!” -Jon Stewart
Meh. More of the dependably presented rightwing rhetoric. "Polls", lol. "Polls" presented in a decidedly biased light, from a who-knows-how scientific cross-section of respondents. Is this the latest tactic, to present propaganda as "polls"?
Apparently the right has determined that the people they are trying (too hard!) to impress are stupid and/or under-informed. I think this insultory approach could backfire. It's not working on me, for one.
Show me one president that was ushered in on a platform of dizzy, euphoric change whose numbers didn't worsen in the first year. Then I can actually take some of this rightoric to heart. Until then, all one need do, as usual...is consider the source.
Kee-rist. Yer blind. That Rasmussen site is plastered with rightieness...ads, links, U - NAME - IT.
I guess ya can't see what ya can't undertand. No shame in that...just a little embarrassment